Did you do anything else? Not giving it a lot of thought, frankly, I said, Sure. Then of course, the Senate voted the next day and we only had 49 votes that we knew about and Senator Bob Kerrey was the undecided vote, the only one left. You know, she made comments like I could have stayed home and baked cookies but I decided to be a real person, which served to severely antagonize a lot of traditionalists. Here we are in June 2003 and the election as we all know is November 04, so its 16 months or so before the election, 17 months, and right now of course, the campaign among the Democratic aspirants for the nomination is hot, full-bore, and has been for several months. Some of thats a function of, for lack of a better word, the culture within the group of people who worked in this administration, so that there is no penalty paid, in effect, among your former colleagues for being outspoken or saying something in the press critical to the President. No, not at all. Is this a case where the political people were encouraging him to hold his ground? Right now, again, were very far away from even the primaries still, let alone the general election, but right now the most active topic of discussion by the candidates by far is healthcare. The first summit was easy; there were no huge international tensions. I really think its just that basic. It really wasnt that way. Just promotes disunity and so forth. The political process requires an outcome. Im not in the Senate. So, looking back on it, the nature and the history of those three men had a lot to do with the eventual outcome. Its actually enjoyable, its fun. Its curious to me, but thats how it worked. More has been made of that than should be. He talked about a middle-class tax cut and, of course getting the economy moving. What political or personal characteristics does she have that he doesnt have, what does she bring to the. Im not sure he would have known me really at all. Its early 94 and the process on the healthcare initiative begins. Yes, hes just that way. Not at the outside, but eventually, I came into the second camp because I began to understand the scope of the issue. He also had primary responsibility for Blackstones international business. Rector and Visitors of the University of Virginia, Notice of Non-Discrimination and Equal Opportunity. I remember that very vividly, and I said, I want to do the honorable thing. and I had no previous knowledge of it at all. Then we ended up for some strange set of reasons having a giant turnout and he wowed them. Most of what people today look back on as the early economic policy of the Clinton administration, in my view, was formulated post-election. Chrystia Freeland, Financial Times US managing editor, interviewed Roger Altman, co-CEO of Evercore Partners. Its probably strange humor in this instance. Howard Paster at the White House, Mike Levy at the Treasury. So the traditional Democratic field has had in it a few candidates who represent that. In the end the answer was no, nothing, period. If Im not mistaken, Paul Tsongas won New Hampshire? Although the Whitewater event came well before Lewinsky, it came very early. Less and less now that shes her own public figure, but thats her nature. Were they talking about what you do with Senator X, with Congressman Y? Its not as easy. Any meaningful change in the bill, particularly if were talking about the last month or two, was only done with the approval of the President. The buzz on Clinton, even then, among those few following it, was positive. Now streaming on: Powered by Then Clinton, as I mentioned, this one big event in January of 92Clinton was great on his feet. I left the White House around April, took a couple of months off, and went back to New York. President Bush was very vulnerable, and so Clinton was attacking on the economy and basically saying, if you remember, this rather famous line, he was going to focus like a laser on the economy. So in the early period, Id have to go back and look at when the President laid the legislation forward, but I want to say it was first of March or something like that. I only heardpeople are very superstitiousso I was told, It looks better or It looks like it may be all right. So it was a combination of an organized role. But everybody felt such a part of it because they were sitting right there. The following MondayI was out West actuallyI flew back to Washington and I believe I resigned on Wednesday. I mean, I saw a lot of the two of them and I became quite friendly with Hillary, and by the time I left the administration was actually much more friendly with Hillary than I was with the President, even though ironically Id obviously known him first. from Georgetown University and an MBA from the University of Chicago. In the last 48 or 72 hours, because that vote was also a cliffhanger, although not as close. Was there a group of people who were helping him on the policy side respective to economics? When the voting began, we did not know if we were going to win. That was my third or fourth trip, in 93. Hes chancellor of the Board of Education of New York, hes a good friend of mine, and I had dinner with him about a month ago and I said, Does it make any difference who the President is as far as youre concerned? First of all, the Clinton White House wasnt really oriented to that. I just want to make one point. I think Henry Kissinger would still be Secretary of State if people had allowed him to be, whatever he thought of who he was serving. That was on a Friday evening. I direct the Presidential Oral History Program at the Miller Center. But in any event, Madison Guaranty had failed. No. Those are my exact words. So my average day was spent a few blocks from here, working full-tilt on the business responsibilities I had. But I worked on a lot of members of Congress, I enjoyed that, I just did. We assembled Carter and Ford and George H. W. Bush, and various other luminaries, Jim Baker, [Henry] Kissinger and so forth, to project a bipartisan front on NAFTA and Clinton gave the speech of his life. Am I misremembering, did the President invite Mr. Greenspan, to sit in the gallery next to his wife when he delivered his economic policy. You had been asked to be a part of that enterprise. I hadnt been parachuted in from some distant spot without any such relations. Altman gave Im not sure it makes entire sense, however, to judge or to assess a Presidents contribution by the standard of those who are given, in effect, a free gift of power to deal with a crisis. Thats why I wonder whether there was some kind of perception, outside. Roger C. Altman is Founder and Senior Chairman of Evercore, which has become the most active independent investment bank in the world. You had been designated the chief operating officer of the RTC [Resolution Trust Corp.]? WebBy tlp333 @ 2008-03-23 21:45:51. Dont ever let those conversations be public. Why a war room? Youve been good to give us so much time. Earlier in Little Rock, was she in attendance at any of these meetings? In the first two years of the Clinton administration, they had about four Prime Ministers, pretty hard to get anywhere in that circumstance. I was working on the economic program, I was working on trade and certain departmental matters like Ive just described. His Presidency itself I think was a very strong one, but it doesnt make it into the top five or six. Everybody gets a nametag, and theres the Secretary of the Treasury, the Deputy Secretary of this and Director of OMB, and youre all sitting around, a very staged setting. I dont think Id ever met her, but we were serving on the same board together and we became acquainted and occasionally talked about getting together some way or other. Were still in the transition period, and now may be the appropriate time to talk about the process by which deficit reduction becomes a clear priority item over some of the other things that were talked about during the course of the campaign. Then, in 1995, he formed Evercore. Roger Altman (left) launched Evercore in 1995 and shed the CEO title in May of last year when Ralph Schlosstein (right) took it and quintupled assets under management to $15 billion. The President said to me at one moment when we were alone, and with great heat, he said to me, Roger, you see, theres no constituency at all for Wall Street economics, which is how he viewed his plan, that hed sold himself to Wall Street and you see theres no constituency for that because were about to lose. We had a good discussion and I went back to the airport and flew home. He really enjoyed it, stayed up every night till four in the morning, and believe me, I know that because I was going to his room at three in the morning with these various wordings. Theres a time lag between taking painful steps to do something with the deficit and getting some response in the. And we had the same in the Carter administration, but it had been more junior. She may have had a lot of influence on it, but I didnt see her. The only thing that Id like to leave this on in respect to any follow-up is this: If at any point you dont think you have a clear picture of Lloyd Bentsens role, since he is not in a position to speak for himself, feel free to call me or talk to me further about that. No, I went back the next day. But it coincided, I think more importantly than that, with the onset of huge political problems for Clinton in the context of Vince Foster, Whitewater, and the entire beginning of that. Had there always been a sense on your part that your likely posting in the administration would be in Treasury or. In the early period, there was a lot of discussion of broad strategy, how to create support for deficit reduction as a whole, how to talk about the program, what type of interest groups we needed to particularly work with and work on. Some of them I think were insincere, but many of them were sincere. Not too much, though. Do you have any recollections of seeing anything different in him as a candidate at that point for that position? In 1991 it was not organized. But the student radical movement had not penetrated? I think. Actually I delivered mine to great jocular reaction, but then Gene Sperling stood up and he talked about the ten reasons why this was a good bill. My assumption is that you must have been doing that from two perches, your first perch being in the Treasury Department and then eventually the war room was opened up, and then you at some point were moved into the war room. Was there anything particular in his record in Arkansas that became sticking points with people in the community that you were attempting to raise money from? Ive read a lot of whats been written about the healthcare plan, its all there. Perhaps history will give Clinton credit for having been the man who made welfare reform happen. Why? Ill never forget, I went in to see one of them whod been shot eight times. So those ideas were developed during the campaign. We had some serious issues with the IRS. I remember Allen going through that. So there were a couple of weeks of high anxiety, maybe more than that, maybe everybody was in a state of anxiety between the election and yes, it wasnt at all clear who the Secretary of Treasury would be. Richard Nixon resigned from office. But I think the most that the Fed can be expected to do is move short rates. Its the biggest story in Washington, Hillary Clinton, the whole thing. The President and Vice President, I think it was Leon Panetta, and myself, one other person, he and I were standing there, looking out, it was a beautiful August night, not too hot, and it was just an amazing moment. So the Carter White House was a bit at seavisvis the Federal Reserve and its role, how to relate to it. Just be sure it doesnt collapse during the interim. So Im sitting there in his hospital room and hes got every imaginable tube coming out. Hed been in office a month or two, defeated by a coalition of Republicans and conservative Democrats, and that was many months before the fateful votes on the economic plan. By the way, when the three-judge Washington panel that chose Fiske threw him out and replaced him with [Ken] Starr, Starr went back to the beginning and went over the entire thing again and came to the same conclusion. I was not involved in the decision as to the sequencing of healthcare versus welfare reform. The RTC had to choose between allowing the statute of limitationsto expire; filing charges, criminal charges; or, as often happens, entering into a so-called tolling agreement, where if youre the party under investigation, you voluntarily agree that the RTC can circumvent the statute of limitations because you believe that if they have more time theyll ultimately decide to exonerate you and you dont want them to be forced to make a decision about filing or not filing charges. Can you talk about Perots influence on the campaign? Youd worked in a couple of campaigns before this one, or youd been involved in campaigns. I did the best I could. Does that resonate with you? I took it anyway. But in retrospect he basically decided in his simple-minded way that he was going to grind the Soviet Union right into the dust, and he did. Yes, there was a big debate about whether it should be healthcare or NAFTA. Which has become a part of the conventional wisdom about this period now, perhaps based on Woodwards analysis. So it wasnt invisible. Were there things about those campaigns that you had learned in preparation for this one that proved to be particularly helpful? Clinton had his own style of charm and Bush has a little bit different style, but not very different. The only other observation that just randomly runs through my mind is, I was always described in the press as an intimate of Clintons and that was just not the case. 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